Alex Schadenberg
Executive Director, Euthanasia Prevention Coalition
In the podcast Sheren explains what Poilievre got wrong with the euthanasia.
Rogan brings up his concern that MAiD now represents 5% of all deaths in Canada. Poilievre responds by saying that he supports "choice" but his concern is with MAiD for kids or people with mental illness alone.Sheren then states, are you not supposed to be a Conservative, are you not supposed to believe that killing is wrong. Sheren then says, apparently your not and this sucks for several reasons. Thank you Kelsi. Sheren continues.
Our society is so sick, our doctors are so messed up, our healthcare is so broken that we cannot allow for MAiD to exist in our country.
What about the more than 400 non-compliant deaths in Ontario?
What about the Ontario Coroner reports and Dr Ramona Coelho's research?
There are so many people slipping through the cracks and to sit there and say that we should allow people to have the right to be killed by a doctor. Pierre, are you not a Conservative?
This is not OK. Poilievre has clearly not been briefed on the numbers and he was not clearly briefed on Kiano's story, even though he pretended he knew about it.
I am concerned about this because Poilievre just said the one thing that's going to allow the death cult to push forward, that even the Conservative leader thinks its perfectly OK to allow people to die by MAiD.
What about Track 2 MAiD? What about Track 1 MAiD? What about Mrs B (Ontario Coroner's report) that we know was killed the same day after requesting palliative and hospice care and was denied the right to an actual peaceful death. When you promote MAiD, this is how the slippery slope turns into an elevator shaft.
What about Track 2 (Euthanasia for people who are not terminally ill, but have a chronic condition)? Most people are dying by Track 1 because it is very easy to become Track 1. You only have to say I am no longer eating and drinking and go from Track 2 to Track 1.
Do you see how the slippery slope works or do we just not care?
Also, what about the disabled community?
Does Pierre not understand that even the United Nations stated that Track 2 is dangerous and needs to be repealed immediately. But Pierre seems to think that's fine.
Pierre said I'm actually just concerned about the mentally ill and the children, but how do you think we got here Pierre?
Because we allowed a policy that ends people's lives. Because we allowed it, you cannot decide what walks through.
So now we have a Conservative leader who opposes MAiD for the children and the mentally ill but forgets the slippery slope in the middle which is your disability, homeless, addicts, etc.
What about Kayla Pollock, or Roger Foley who is living in a London Ontario hospital and just has a degenerative disorder, but the hospital has offered him MAiD.
Foley is not a mature minor and he doesn't have a mental illness so he should be offered MAiD?
Rogan then mentions that he has a friend who has gone to Oregon to die by assisted suicide.
Sheren explains that Oregon has been doing assisted suicide since the 90's and is one of the only states that does not have a residency requirement. They are not actually talking about how the assisted suicide drugs work.
In Oregon they give you a cup full of poison but they cannot guarantee you a peaceful death. In Oregon, the longest time of death is 137 hours.
I understand wanting someone to leave this life with control and autonomy. That is what hospice and palliative care is for. That is what real support is for.
I hear what you are saying, but our society cannot handle the responsibility of killing because people will abuse and coerce the system.
This is how this stuff gets passed. They pull on the heartstrings.
We all die, but that is what palliative care and hospice is for. Why are we not better funding palliative care and hospice? Why are we not funding better research for ALS, Alzheimer's or Dementia? Because we are going to euthanize you anyway.
Joe Rogan then says - there is a place for it.
Sheren responds that there isn't a place for it because we have cases of coercion and people being pushed into this.
Rogan then states that Kiano died by euthanasia because of seasonal depression.
Sheren responds that Kiano did not qualify to be killed because of seasonal depression, Kiano qualified because he was a diabetic who was losing his vision and he also had seasonal depression.
Rogan and Pierre don't even know the story. Kiano had multiple concussion when he was 17 and that affects depression. Kiano also had addictive behaviours. He was using drugs along with a pharmaceutical cocktail.
Rogan asks Pierre, who allowed that to happen?
Sheren responds, it was Dr Ellen Wiebe at the Willow Clinic in Vancouver. Canadians will doctor shop to find a doctor willing to kill.
Kiano was slated to die in 2022 by Dr Tepper at MAiDhouse, the killing facility in Ontario but his mother prevented that killing.
Does Pierre not want to address that there are places in Canada that only kill people? They are funded by tax dollars.
Rogan said: Who didn't counsel this young boy, who didn't give him a hug?
His mother gave him his hugs. His mother Margaret fought his whole life to give her son from the system. His family stood up for Kiano, trying to him help.
Rogan said: Who didn't tell him about diet and exercise and changing his surroundings, his lifestyle?
If Pierre knew about this case he would have known that all of these things were tried. His mother fought for him, he went into support.
The doctors didn't address his head injury and they didn't address his drug abuse issue.
If the incoming prime minister candidate doesn't know the story then he should just say it.
Pierre: You didn't say that Track 2 euthanasia should be stopped. You didn't say, Track 2 should be stopped but I accept Track 1 euthanasia. Stand on something.
You left the disabled out in the cold. You said for children and those with mental illness we shouldn't have MAiD but they have already killed people with mental illness. Do you not know that?
Rogan said: Your going to end this beautiful life because of seasonal depression?
Sheren once again explains that he was not killed because of seasonal depression. Pierre had the opportunity to state what the system did to this kid and his family. Pierre had the opportunity to be prime ministerial, but he didn't.
Sheren said: How am I supposed to support a Conservative candidate who is good with allowing MAiD for Track 2 when the United Nations has even said that this is a problem.
When you misrepresent cases, like Kiano to score some form of points, that is reckless as hell.
Then to claim that was true is even worse. Once the MAiD system exists, it is not about should we, it is about who qualifies next.
Sheren then explains that she has been where Kiano was and has dealt with people who are where Kiano was, but she doesn't tell them that they should die.
For the issues that matter to me, Kelsi Sheren, my family, my friends, my community, the disabled community, the mentally ill, the people that struggle, the veterans... he just cosigned this law by saying there should be an option and the only one he has a problem with is mental illness and children.
What is needed is better research, better palliative care and more caring.
Sheren continues: We have doctors playing God. Ellen Wiebe is one of them.
Joe, she killed him in a funeral home, not for seasonal depression, and Pierre should have known that or said, I don't know.
Killing is wrong, full stop.
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