tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9216787076261944467.post4986369800813954344..comments2024-03-27T11:49:41.376-04:00Comments on Euthanasia Prevention Coalition: A personal story: No to euthanasia for mental health reasonsAlex Schadenberghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07649977828342637842noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9216787076261944467.post-22351669453690300322021-10-01T22:36:53.182-04:002021-10-01T22:36:53.182-04:00When someone shares their personal experience it i...When someone shares their personal experience it is just that, their own personal experience. I urge everyone to take it as Margaret meant it - her personal experience.<br />Thank you Margaret for bravely sharing your personal story. I am glad you are here and enjoying your life Margaret! <3 MAVnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9216787076261944467.post-18505232324889162522021-08-28T18:08:48.404-04:002021-08-28T18:08:48.404-04:00Sorry, I was busy for a few days and missed the co...Sorry, I was busy for a few days and missed the comments.Alex Schadenberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07649977828342637842noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9216787076261944467.post-67127078907974337492021-08-27T17:34:23.743-04:002021-08-27T17:34:23.743-04:00Why won't you publish my reply to Stephen, Ale...Why won't you publish my reply to Stephen, Alex?dougsnedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12547096894371796838noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9216787076261944467.post-37378277315146176992021-08-27T03:44:43.244-04:002021-08-27T03:44:43.244-04:00"I must say, to Dougsned, that the difference..."I must say, to Dougsned, that the difference between euthanasia and abortion, is that there isn't an opportunity to express regret after being euthanized. Hence, the point of Margaret's story - if she had received euthanasia, she would have missed out on what she is now experiencing as a satisfying life. She is glad that euthanasia wasn't available during a prolonged, very low time where she DID persistently wish to die."<br /><br />The great majority of requests for euthanasia regarding severe refractory mental illnesses are not rescinded in the Netherlands. And the great majority of women who have received abortions do not regret it despite what you might have heard:<br /><br />https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0277953619306999<br /><br />That is actual science. It is my own choice, not yours.dougsnedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12547096894371796838noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9216787076261944467.post-79282301286557644092021-08-19T22:59:43.044-04:002021-08-19T22:59:43.044-04:00I must say, to Dougsned, that the difference betwe...I must say, to Dougsned, that the difference between euthanasia and abortion, is that there isn't an opportunity to express regret after being euthanized. Hence, the point of Margaret's story - if she had received euthanasia, she would have missed out on what she is now experiencing as a satisfying life. She is glad that euthanasia wasn't available during a prolonged, very low time where she DID persistently wish to die.StephenVKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08624055476759496242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9216787076261944467.post-52248157682891371872021-08-11T02:15:14.967-04:002021-08-11T02:15:14.967-04:00Advance directives are not without consent.Advance directives are not without consent.dougsnedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12547096894371796838noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9216787076261944467.post-73862697624667918802021-08-09T22:25:19.750-04:002021-08-09T22:25:19.750-04:00And to me it has everything to do with autonomy an...And to me it has everything to do with autonomy and liberty. It's my life, my body, and my choice. Not yours, or whatever god you believe in. Having no choice in my birth I'd like to have a choice on how I die. <br /><br />"People are being put to death in the name of assisted suicide but not with a persons actual consent in some cases"<br /><br />Are you referring to advance directives in cases of dementia? Those are made when the person was competent. It's not without consent or involuntary.dougsnedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12547096894371796838noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9216787076261944467.post-47997369042982405882021-08-07T22:51:28.131-04:002021-08-07T22:51:28.131-04:00The truth is that assisted suicide is wrong. If we...The truth is that assisted suicide is wrong. If we value human life, we should value ALL human life, including the unborn, the elderly, the disabled, and the mentally ill. <br /><br />When I was 19, I had a boyfriend who stopped seeing me. I was in love with him, and my emotional pain was unbearable at the time. I would have committed suicide, but being a Catholic, I believed in hell, and didn't want to end up there. That was the only thing that stopped me. Fortunately, with time, a person can recover from a broken heart. Logically, it would have been very foolish to take my life; the person I lived for cared only about himself. I guess I thought that if I died, at least he would feel remorse. But emotions are not rational. We must help people to value their life, even if they don't, and to realize that suicide is wrong. Life after death is real; death is not the end of everything. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9216787076261944467.post-39391464757789706242021-08-04T20:26:59.115-04:002021-08-04T20:26:59.115-04:00Apparently you don't fully comprehend what is ...Apparently you don't fully comprehend what is happening with assisted suicide in some countries. It is basically legalization of murder in my opinion. People are being put to death in the name of assisted suicide but not with a persons actual consent in some casesAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13605591141266355657noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9216787076261944467.post-35559714482210805002021-07-29T14:53:25.486-04:002021-07-29T14:53:25.486-04:00"I think you missed the point of Margaret'..."I think you missed the point of Margaret's story."<br /><br />Why did you sidestep my question? I asked if the person in question has exhausted all effective treatments. You speak of it as a guarantee when it isn't.<br /><br />Let's assume that Margaret however would have qualified for arguments sake. We know from studies done on assisted-suicide for mental health reasons in the NL that most people who've recieved it for that reason have a history of prior suicide attempt(s), and that the majority of those who were approved do not rescind their request (the percentage is roughly the same as people approved for PAS for non-mental health reasons). This argument is the same as the one calling for abortion to remain banned because cases exist where women are glad they didn't abort but would've had it been legal. It ignores the fact that the great majority of women who aborted do not regret their choice.<br /><br />And so the same applies here. This story does not outweigh the greater number of those who are glad for such an option to exist.dougsnedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12547096894371796838noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9216787076261944467.post-44817139268251567442021-07-29T14:36:18.486-04:002021-07-29T14:36:18.486-04:00I often wonder who mentally sound the people actua...I often wonder who mentally sound the people actually are who advocate for other people to commit suicide or euthanasia!Tershiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17855600848602336920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9216787076261944467.post-79830424448274716692021-07-29T11:00:22.002-04:002021-07-29T11:00:22.002-04:00I think you missed the point of Margaret's sto...I think you missed the point of Margaret's story.<br />She is happy to be alive today.<br />If it assisted death were available when she was at her low time, she wouldn't be here.<br />She didn't suggest that it would be imposed on her.<br />She didn't suggest that it would be done willy nilly.<br />She did suggest that she would have wanted it and whether you like it or not, she may have qualified and died and then missed the happiest part of her life.<br /><br />The reason I published the story is that Margaret isn't the only one who has experienced this and she is speaking to others who are at the low point in their life.Alex Schadenberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07649977828342637842noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9216787076261944467.post-31392837227043291702021-07-29T00:16:58.277-04:002021-07-29T00:16:58.277-04:00And has the person in question exhausted all effec...And has the person in question exhausted all effective treatments? I'm going to take a gamble and say no. Very few requests for assisted suicide on mental health grounds are approved with the vast majority being denied.<br />dougsnedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12547096894371796838noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9216787076261944467.post-31879729891691500082021-07-28T19:55:39.215-04:002021-07-28T19:55:39.215-04:00Your right and wrong.
The person must attempt effe...Your right and wrong.<br />The person must attempt effective treatments and attempt to get better, but if their wish to die is persistent and they have tried all effective treatments, they will qualify and die. Alex Schadenberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07649977828342637842noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9216787076261944467.post-67119584153282864862021-07-28T15:18:36.164-04:002021-07-28T15:18:36.164-04:00"and since her condition was persistent she w..."and since her condition was persistent she would have qualified."<br /><br />That isn't enough by itself. Doctors have to agree that you have exhausted all reasonable attempts at treatment.dougsnedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12547096894371796838noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9216787076261944467.post-84373131495067015752021-07-28T10:53:43.948-04:002021-07-28T10:53:43.948-04:00Margaret is not from the Netherlands and she is no...Margaret is not from the Netherlands and she is not commenting on the Netherlands. She is saying that she experienced a long term suicidal ideation and if it had been available she would have asked for it and since her condition was persistent she would have qualified.Alex Schadenberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07649977828342637842noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9216787076261944467.post-72848197056625625032021-07-28T01:35:14.306-04:002021-07-28T01:35:14.306-04:00"that time, if euthanasia for only mental hea..."that time, if euthanasia for only mental health reasons was accepted, I would have applied and not be here now."<br /><br />Does the author think you can just walk into a clinic in the Netherlands and receive assisted suicide just like that? This isn't even close to the reality. As a matter of fact the overwhelming majority of requests for MAID on the basis of mental illness is denied in the NL, despite what this author and Alex want you to think.dougsnedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12547096894371796838noreply@blogger.com